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11:13am Tuesday 1st July 2008

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PERMISSION is being sought to set up a permanent segregated airspace around Parc Aberporth so that frequent testing of unmanned aircraft can take place over land.

The first announcement of the move was made at the annual unmanned systems show at the parc this week.

A full public consultation is promised on the proposal this autumn, involving organisations and local councils over a wide area - from Cardigan, Newcastle Emlyn and Llandysul, possibly as far as Lampeter.

The Welsh Assembly Government is sponsoring the Airspace Change Proposal submission to the Civil Aviation Authority, which seeks to extend the segregated airspace that unmanned systems can fly in.

"This permission will be crucial to the future of Parc Aberporth and we are at the start of a process that might take up to two years to complete," said Paul Cremin, strategy and development manager, unmanned systems, for the Welsh Assembly Government.

No information is available yet on the possible range or height of the special airspace.

"That will partly depend on the results of the consultation which will take place both to determine the needs of the industry and the response of the public and the CAA. This will all go out to formal consultation this autumn," said Mr Cremin.

He added: "We need this development to get the best out of Parc Aberporth. It is vital we have segregated airspace over the land, as we have limited access to the sea ranges. And there are some great projects coming up that will need to be tested over land."

Carl Davies, manager of the West Wales UAV Centre, told the Tivy-Side: "This airfield is pivotal in the UAV industry and we are already doing real work on a regular basis, but we need to be able to develop and offer much more to the unmanned aerial systems industry.

"This diddy little airfield already offers a package to for UAV development that nowhere else in the world has to offer, and we need the airspace approval so that we can really continue to develop. Then, in 10 to 15 years time we will have so much going on here we will be able to offer some really good jobs to our children."

He added that during the airspace consultation information will be distributed over a wide area via roadshows.

"We will be going to all the key towns locally, such as Cardigan and Newcastle Emlyn. We may go as far as Lampeter to consult with people," he said.


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Mike, Aberporth says...
11:49am Tue 1 Jul 08

Enter the ACTYMA Nimby group........

glyn, ceredigion says...
6:51pm Mon 7 Jul 08

Mike wrote:
Enter the ACTYMA Nimby group........
UAV usage to date is primarily military. We are sleep walking into being the only land area in Europe where testing unproven technology will be allowed. What is wrong with Salisbury Plain or the many other military ranges? Our economic well being depends on agriculture, tourism and micro buisnesses predicated upon a high quality of life. For just how many jobs are we prepared to lose quiet beaches and safe schools. Will aberporth beaches still be filled when the skies re-sound to the sounds of low flying "under test" technology? What chemicals will be on board, what fuel sources? Its not NIMBY. This is potentially deadly serious. If US backed investment wants to test UAVS here over land and not sea, perhaps we should ask why they don't want to fly these noise making machines with their payrolls and testing technolgies in the USA? Or even in green and pleasant England over large miltary zones adjacent to plenty of under used airfields. Spend the money on sustainable transport and our exsting industrial estates.

Edward, Aberporth says...
9:34pm Tue 8 Jul 08

glyn wrote:
Mike wrote:
Enter the ACTYMA Nimby group........
UAV usage to date is primarily military. We are sleep walking into being the only land area in Europe where testing unproven technology will be allowed. What is wrong with Salisbury Plain or the many other military ranges? Our economic well being depends on agriculture, tourism and micro buisnesses predicated upon a high quality of life. For just how many jobs are we prepared to lose quiet beaches and safe schools. Will aberporth beaches still be filled when the skies re-sound to the sounds of low flying "under test" technology? What chemicals will be on board, what fuel sources? Its not NIMBY. This is potentially deadly serious. If US backed investment wants to test UAVS here over land and not sea, perhaps we should ask why they don't want to fly these noise making machines with their payrolls and testing technolgies in the USA? Or even in green and pleasant England over large miltary zones adjacent to plenty of under used airfields. Spend the money on sustainable transport and our exsting industrial estates.
Glyn,

We have had Tornado's armed with Nuclear Weapons flying in the airspace above West Wales in the past, what's 'deadly serious' about a UAV?

I enjoy day to day freedom thanks to our past generations who gave their lives for our generation - working in our military, and doing their duty.

The military have always tested their kit in this area, laser guided missiles, torpedo's, guns, dopler radar. The Jindivik UAV flew more than 6000 sorties in West Wales!!

You mention noise - did you not know the area has a long history of what you deem as 'noisy' activity from the MoD.

We locals are all used to it, and are content because of the jobs and economic benefits.

This opposition is just pure nimbysm from a small group of people with no thought for the hundreds of families supported by our defence industry here in West Wales.

All this opposition from a small group of people will no doubt cost the taxpayer thousands of wasted pounds in consultations etc, just who do you think you are?

We vote for our politicians and councillors to be our voice, not nimbys!

I hope you and others will remember how you are afforded freedom, and the freedom of speech, and appreciate the necessary evils needed to maintain that privilege.

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