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8:03am Tuesday 12th February 2008

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A petition calling for Cardigan's £9m new hospital to be built by the town bypass instead of the controversial Bath-house site, could undermine the entire project, it was claimed this week.

In angry scenes at Cardigan's town council meeting, local county councillor Mair Morris called on townspeople to think twice before signing the petiton, which was launched last month by the Plaid Cymru group on the town council and has already attracted hundreds of signatures.

"Plaid Cymru while opposing the current site for the new hospital could be jeopardising the development all together," said Cllr Morris.

"The message I am getting from residents is that they want to see this new facility constructed as soon as possible and to allow the planning process to decide on a suitable location."

And in an attack on developer TI Davies who has refused to allow access to the Bath-house development, she said: "The people of Cardigan need to realise that if it wasn't for TI Davies blocking the development, the construction work may well have started by now."

And she added: "I would ask those who have signed the petition whether they have given enough thought to the whole issue, to those who have not signed it yet, to consider the options very carefully. I would hate to see Cardigan lose these new facilities including the new hospital.

"All I can say is that I just hope that the actions of the few aren't going to lose us this excellent opportunity."

Cllr Linda Grace backed Cllr Morris.

"This petition is party political. What is extremely important to people, not just in Cardigan but also in North Pembrokeshire, is that they want a new health facility."

But town mayor Cllr Melfydd George said people were clamouring to sign the petition.

"We don't want the hospital down in that dump," he said.

And Cllr John Adams-Lewis said: "We fought 10 years for a bypass and now we are thinking of sending traffic through town. There is tremendous support for a hospital sited near the bypass. It's nonsense that other sites aren't suitable. A carrot has been dangled in front of them and they've gone for Bath-house."

But Cllr Morris retorted: "If it wasn't for your interference they would be cutting the footings for the new hospital now."


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Daniel Burton, London says...
4:06pm Wed 13 Feb 08

Although the bypass may not be the ideal site, it's certainly significantly better than the Bath-house site. The subtleties of what would make a site better than the bypass are down to future development, i.e. not immediately tangible effects. If we consider these current issues such as transport links etc. then the bypass sighting has them in spades. The bypass may not be the best solution (my feelings is that the mart would fill this role), but it is better than than the Bath-house. Trust two councillors who have probably never left cardigan to oppose a petition heading in the logically correct direction. It would also be nice if Mair Morris would offer at least a small bit of explanation as to how this could jeopardise everything, and possibly for good measure just one advantage the Bath-house site has going for it.

mair morris, Cardigan says...
11:21pm Fri 15 Feb 08

Firstly Daniel Burton should decalre an interest as his step father has offered land on the wrong side of the bypass for development.Sorry, but this is land outside the UDP and is not therefore considered suitable for any development. Points raised by Daniel - transport links.The Bathouse site would be served by a regular bus service which a site ouside of town would not be. 2. The one advantage of the Bathouse site? It has got planning permission. The mart site? Yes, again a declaration of interest - his step father is associated with this site. 3 How the petition could jeopardise everything? Pressure has been put on TI Davies to withhold consent for the use of his land as an access, this is jeopardising the whole Hospital replacement project as there is already a site with Planning Consent,which a Planning Inspector recently agreed with, the option for the Trust to get consent for another site in Cardigan has to be limited. The assembly commitment to funding the new facility is dependant on the integration of Health and Social Services. Cymdeithas Tai Cantref are currently working up the details of a scheme for an Extra Care facility which would be one and two bedroomed flats for the elderly, complete with care when that is required. The Health Center in cardigan desperately requires better facilities. Part of the Integrated package is a new GP Facility adjacent to the New Hospital facility. This would be totally unsuitable and unacceptable in an out of town site. Am I one of the councillors who has never left Cardigan? For your info, I am a Pembs girl born and bred. I have left Cardigan on numerous occasions (but not for very long!)I have plenty of experiences of having to visit medical facilities outside Cardigan, and I can assure you that having to travel long distances for out patient appointments is by far less desirable than travelling along Gwbert Road to facilities in Cardigan. Daniel as far as I know still lives in London - he should be able to see that the Bathouse site is a suitable site for development in cardigan. The Bypass was constructed so that people who did not wish to use the Town's facilities could by pass it. People coming to shop in Cardigan do not need to bypass the town, they need to embrace it, hence having this facility in town can only help to keep the vibrancy of the town. Sorry, but your family will need to wait quite a bit longer for their land to have development value.Perhaps Daniel Burton can confirm that he is the same Daniel Burton that I think it is, if not, then I apologise and will respond accordingly

Daniel Burton, London says...
5:32pm Mon 25 Feb 08

Let me begin by saying that yes, you have the right Daniel. Also, at no point in my comment did I indicate any preference over which side of the bypass development should take place. In fact (1) I would consider New Mill to be more suitable and (2) I can assure you that the 'step' prefix ensures a bias not in my favour.
As for a bus route, there are no destinations along Gwbert road that merit a regular bus service. If you have enough money to live on Gwbert road then I'm pretty sure you can afford a car. As for Ferwig, I'm pretty sure the regular bus service would NOT be extended that far. But a regular bus service to the north of the town and onwards would only bring benefits. You have housing estates on either end of the town, Penparc, Aberporth etc. northwards, two big stores, things that require a more regular service than the town currently receives. If a route is to be created, then why not create it where there is a need, rather than where a need is being created.
As for having planning permission being an advantage, you can't expect me or anyone to believe that permission would not be granted for something of this order with town wide backing, so that ends that one there.
Next the mart. No one can argue against the fact that having the land along the Teifi developed, commercially and residentially, would have an immensely desirable effect on the town. It's dead land in an area of town that should be embraced above all others (look how drastically it has improved with the small amount of work performed recently). As for ownership, the mart is joint owned, leased subject to contract, and is no where near big enough to consider this type of development, I was actually referring to land on both sides of the road, extended down past the boat yard when I mentioned it in my previous comment, of which the actual 'mart' area only makes up a small amount.
I doubt very much that TI Davies is being pressured. It seems he has his beliefs and opinions, and he seems to be following through on them. Whether they are merited doesn't come into the equation, and everyone has their price, and I think TI's is in pounds sterling, not signatures.
Housing for the elderly? Why would Cymdeithas Tai Cantref's plans be any different regardless of where the development was sited? The health centre in Cardigan doesn't desperately require better services, although it probably sounds quite politically caring to say so. What it requires is more doctors and better opening hours, and the placement of the health centre presently is about as good as you could wish for.
You refer to alternative sites as 'out of town'? Last time I checked the highest concentration of Cardigan residents was towards the north. Apart from the 'lower pentood' area there are no 'in town' sittings. Any site is going to be on the edge of town somewhere, and that’s why it's so important to get it right, because you are changing the shape and distribution, and therefore future, of a town.
I can go on but this whole bathhouse thing gets boring after a while and I'm hungry. What it basically comes down to is this, planning was granted for a development, and better late than never, the majority of the town's residents have decided it is not suitable. That's it, all in one sentence. No matter what I think or you think, it's what the majority thinks, and it makes no difference who's right or wrong. Let the people decide for once Mair, after all, you do work for them...

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